Friday, May 14, 2010

Are there any parts left of the cross that Jesus died on? or of the nails?

in what museum can i see them?Are there any parts left of the cross that Jesus died on? or of the nails?
There are enough bits-and-pieces of the ';true cross'; scattered all over the world to build a house!Are there any parts left of the cross that Jesus died on? or of the nails?
Jesus did not die on a cross. He died on a torture stake. In the Bible the Greek word usually rendered cross is stauros. Its Latin equivalent is crux. Was the stauros or crux on which Christ died a traditionally shaped cross?





The Encyclopædia Britannica, 1907 and 1942 editions, under the term “cross” states that Christ is “generally believed” to have died on such a cross, that at best it is only “by general tradition” that the matter is established.





And concerning the terms stauros and crux we are told that ‘stauros properly means merely a stake.’ “In Livy [Roman historian shortly before Christ’s ministry] even, crux means a mere stake.” “The Hebrews have no word for Cross more definite than ‘wood.’”3





The bible repeatedly tells of his dying on a tree, the Greek word being xylon. (See Luke 23:31; Acts 5:30;10:39.) Xylon simply means “timber,” and “by implication a stick, club or tree or other wooden article or substance.”5 That is why the Gospel writers all use xylon to refer to the staves or clubs that the mob carried when they came to take Jesus. (See Matthew 26:47, 55; Mark 14:43, 48; Luke 22:52.) By saying that Christ died on a xylon these indicated that Christ died on a timber, a piece of wood.





“From the most remote antiquity the cross was venerated in Egypt and Syria; it was held in equal honor by the Buddhists of the East; and what is still more extraordinary, when the Spaniards first visited America, the well-known sign was found among the objects of worship in the idol temples of Anáhuac. It is also remarkable that, with the commencement of our era, the pagans were wont to make the sign of the cross upon the forehead in the celebration of some of their sacred mysteries.”








The cross is a pagan symbol
yep, don't know where
From Wikipedia:





Pieces of the True Cross, including the half of the INRI inscription tablet, preserved at the ancient basilica Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome. Very small pieces or particles of the True Cross are preserved in hundreds of other churches in Europe.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relics_of_J…





But like most artifacts, these are impossible to prove true or false...ole' Pilate refused to sign a Certificate of Authenticity. I've read other sources that say that these relics are ';TRADITIONALLY thought to have come from the True Cross of Jesus.)
Christianity? Jesus? Dying?





What is the Imacculate Conception supposed to mean?





(NOT A VIRGIN BIRTH! - betcha never knew that.)





Jesus, the basis of Christianity? .





If Jesus died, he could NOT have been God.





Gods do not die? Do they?





If Jesus 'died' on Friday and 'undied' on Sunday, what else besides Saturday was sacrificed?





Did Jesus give up Saturday for us? Big deal!





If Jesus died for our sins, there should not be any more sins, else why go through with it?.





If Jesus really DIED, he should be dead, dead, dead!





If you swallow this stuff, you are not going to like the folks who don't. You want them to swallow it too.





'Believers' want everyone to convert to their non-thinking.





Believing and not thinking is to choose a mental illness.
this is the sort of thing you could look up for yourself in wikipedia.
Realistically, there are probably no pieces of the cross left. Jesus was crucified by the Romans. The Romans probably reused the crosses because they killed a lot of people on them (they were notorious for being the most ruthless killers), and at the time of the crucifixion, the disciples did not know the significance of the cross, and so, would have no reason to collect the pieces. There may be some places that claim to have pieces of the cross, but in the Middle Ages there was an incredible amount of interest in ';relics,'; and so, there is probably a large number of fakes out there that are being presented as the real thing.





Chazerai, that really is not an answer. Do you realize that what you are saying makes absolutely no sense? And really, I've seen that on about 10 different answers to this point. Get some original material.

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