Friday, May 14, 2010

Why do you think that Jesus was killed on a cross? And why do they show him as having nails in his hands?

I would like to know where to find the facts of Jesus being killed on a CROSS. And also where does the information come from that lets people put him as being hung by his hands.Why do you think that Jesus was killed on a cross? And why do they show him as having nails in his hands?
one of four gospels mentions nails through the hands. and we have historic records that this was the typical procedure. Of course, nails really had to go through the wrist rather than palm to support body weight. And they used ropes too, nails were more for pain than support.





Leaving people to die in the open is pretty common. They did that in medieval Europe - nailing people to castle walls or putting them out in cages.Why do you think that Jesus was killed on a cross? And why do they show him as having nails in his hands?
read the Bible...first four gospels of the New Testament.
You can read the accounts for yourself in the four gospels in the Bible - Matthew, Mark Luke or John.


It was prophesied that he would be nailed to a tree (Cross).


I will repost with some links for you below in a few minutes





also, when he appeared to his disciples after his death - they couldn't belief it was him. Read this from Luke 24:39:


37They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38He said to them, ';Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.';





40When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet.
God's Word, the Bible.
Being hung on a cross was the most humiliating punishment for someone back then and was used for the ultimate punishment. It has been proven that crucifixition was not done thru the actual hand or foot, but thru the wrist and ankles because the weight of a human body would be too heavy and the flesh would rip so they would not be able to hang.. In the Bible, in the end times, when the anti christ appears the 666 numbers are said to be on the hand or the forehead. Where Christ was punctured the most. When someone was crucified, it wasnt the actual crucifixion that would kill them, in fact, they would suffocate because they would be unable to breath.. Actually taking days to die... They would have to find strength to push against the nails in thier ankles to lift themselves up to breath. Christ gave up his life. In addition, he was stabbed in the side with a spear which actually was prophesied in the early books of the bible. Man always puts thier spin on things, but the books of Matthew, Mark,Luke and John say it best! My favorite accout being that one in Luke.
Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.





Mar 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.





In that time period, the hand included the wrist. So when they put the nails in his wrists, they rightly stated that it was His hands
Christians and their bible no longer hold a monopoly on Jesus. Relatively recent discoveries of very ancient early Christian writings state that Jesus was not crucified at all, and furthermore that he was a human like everyone else and that he performed no miracles. So you now have alternative documents on which to base your studies.
Dear Grandma,





How I loved my Grandmother, who reared me when my own mother would not.........





Jesus was crucified under the Roman law, which was crucification. He was not the only one to be killed this way. In fact, the Bible tells us He was one of three to be put to death in this fashion on that very day. It was a spectacle, a growd gatherer. I imagine it was much like a ball game or concert today, as far as drawing a crowd........





The importance of the nails being driven through His hands, fulfills the prophecy as told in Isaiah.........no broken bones. In the palms, look and see, there is enough flesh to hold your weight without the breaking of your bones.





IF, IF, it were to happen today, it could be by means of lethal injection, which also would not break His bones. That was simply the method of the time. A guiltine (sp) would break bones, a firing squad might shatter bones, a stoning (also used in that day) could result in broken bones..........





Jesus is God sent to us in the FLESH and He was crucified in the FLESH...not the bones.
it wasn't Jesus who was on the cross. God has saved Jesus soul %26amp; body toward him, and because he didn't die he will return back again at the end of the world and then die .
Crucifixion was the form of execution the Romans used at the time of Jesus' death, much the same as hanging or decapitation was used during British and French periods.





Many pictures showing Jesus hanging from his hands are incorrect as the nail would tear right through. Crucifixion puts the nail through the wrist NOT the hand.
Crucifiction was the Roman punsihment


and has been recorded through all of roman times





Jesus crucifiction also was and is recorded





and the nails was put in His hands and His feet


as it was recorded


( not his wrists as some has tried to implicate )





the whole of cricifiction was for one to hang down till they could no longer pull up , thus sufficated slowley is accomplished , and bleeding out as well


the wrist would have allowed a man to be held up , ones hands cause of the many bones and little flesh could not hold him up, thus they died rather quickley , and thats what the Romans wanted suffering yet at a fair pace . And its recorded in His hands and His feet , not His wrists !!


The cross couldnt hold Him , He allowed it to !!!
That was the common way to execute people back in Rome during that time period. Its a very painful and prolonging way to die, pretty much like torture. thats why there were guys on each side of Jesus that were on crosses also.
Jesus was cursed for our sakes.....for it is written: cursed is he that is hanged on a tree.....He took our punishment, our curse for sin. i believe the nails were thru the wrists not necessarily the hands.....nails thru the hands would have broken bones %26amp; would not have held Him there....He was not to have a broken bone......this account of Him being nailed to a cross is located in, (i believe), all four Gospels......Matthew, Mark, Luke, %26amp; John......in the New Testament of The Holy Bible
I distinctly remember hearing once during Mass, the lector reading that Jesus was nailed to 'a tree.' I don't know if that was simply a metaphor for the Roman cross or whether it meant a literal tree.





Presumably, the whole thing about nails in Christ's hands is Biblical. However, any basic knowledge of hand anatomy--just a cursory look at a human skeleton--will show you that a nail would tear right through a palm from the body's weight on the cross. Christ has to have had the nails in his wrists, instead.





As for why Jesus was killed on a cross--it was a common Roman method of execution. They did the same thing to Spartacus and his followers, too.
Jesus was not killed on a cross. The Greek work stau-ros' meant merely an upright stake.


Specifically the word used for what Jesus was nailed to was xy'lon.
Well read the Jesus Papers. It was on the NY times best seller list. The history it gives is pretty rich. If you read it carefully and slowly he defeats his own argument of the possibility that Jesus was not crucified. Stand by for the page numbers...some weak crap man.





Well I can't find the page numbers...let's remember that this was a Roman punishment and that was standard operating procedure. just as it was for the zealots of the time. Some people want to debunk all of that so they don't have to admit that Isaiah 53 was prophecy I guess.
Did Jesus


Really Die on a Cross?








THE cross is one of the most recognizable religious symbols known to man. Millions revere it, considering it to be the sacred instrument on which Jesus was put to death. Roman Catholic writer and archaeologist Adolphe-Napoleon Didron stated: “The cross has received a worship similar, if not equal, to that of Christ; this sacred wood is adored almost equally with God Himself.”





Some say that the cross makes them feel closer to God when they pray. Others use it as an amulet, thinking that it protects them from evil. But should Christians use the cross as an object of veneration? Did Jesus really die on a cross? What does the Bible teach on this subject?





What Does the Cross Symbolize?





Long before the Christian era, crosses were used by the ancient Babylonians as symbols in their worship of the fertility god Tammuz. The use of the cross spread into Egypt, India, Syria, and China. Then, centuries later, the Israelites adulterated their worship of Jehovah with acts of veneration to the false god Tammuz. The Bible refers to this form of worship as a ‘detestable thing.’—Ezekiel 8:13, 14.





The Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John use the Greek word stau·ros′ when referring to the instrument of execution on which Jesus died. (Matthew 27:40; Mark 15:30; Luke 23:26) The word stau·ros′ refers to an upright pole, stake, or post. The book The Non-Christian Cross, by J. D. Parsons, explains: “There is not a single sentence in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which, in the original Greek, bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros; much less to the effect that it consisted, not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross.”





Some ancient drawings depict the use of a single wooden pole in Roman executions





As recorded at Acts 5:30, the apostle Peter used the word xy′lon, meaning “tree,” as a synonym for stau·ros′, denoting, not a two-beamed cross, but an ordinary piece of upright timber or tree. It was not until about 300 years after Jesus’ death that some professed Christians promoted the idea that Jesus was put to death on a two-beamed cross. However, this view was based on tradition and a misuse of the Greek word stau·ros′. It is noteworthy that some ancient drawings depicting Roman executions feature a single wooden pole or tree.


A more important issue for true Christians should be the propriety of venerating the instrument used to kill Jesus. Whether it was an upright single torture stake, a cross, an arrow, a lance, or a knife, should such an instrument be used in worship?





Suppose a loved one of yours was brutally murdered and the weapon was submitted to the court as evidence. Would you try to gain possession of the murder weapon, take photographs of it, and print many copies for distribution? Would you produce replicas of the weapon in various sizes? Would you then fashion some of them into jewelry? Or would you have these reproductions commercially manufactured and sold to friends and relatives to be venerated? Likely you would be repulsed at the idea! Yet, these very things have been done with the cross!





Besides, the use of the cross in worship is no different from the use of images in worship, a practice condemned in the Bible. (Exodus 20:2-5; Deuteronomy 4:25, 26) The apostle John accurately reflected the teachings of true Christianity when he admonished his fellow Christians with the words: “Guard yourselves from idols.” (1 John 5:21) This they did even when it meant facing death in the Roman arena.





First-century Christians, however, held the sacrificial death of Christ in high esteem. Likewise today, although the instrument used to torture and kill Jesus is not to be worshipped, true Christians commemorate Jesus’ death as the means by which God provides salvation to imperfect humans. (Matthew 20:28) This superlative expression of God’s love will bring untold blessings to lovers of truth, including the prospect of everlasting life.—John 17:3; Revelation 21:3, 4.
One thing, in scripture, after Jesus' resurrection, Thomas, known as Thomas the Doubter, said ';unless I see the nail scars in His hands, and unless I put my hand where He was pierced, I will not believe.'; Jesus showed Thomas the evidence he asked for.


In another place in scripture it talks about being 'cursed if you hang on a tree.' People call it a cross because it was two wooden pieces, one across the other forming a crossing.


Isaiah in scripture says that ';He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities, the chastizement for our sins was placed upon Him.';


John 3:16 ';For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life.';
Have you heard of Armageddon (where rulers met who measure their strength in the original Hebrews)?





All prophecies in Revelation unleashing of the vials and wrath took place ?
Because he was arrested and tried under Roman law and they used crucifixion as their form of execution
PROPHESY-


Psalm 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.








ZECHARIAH 12:10


And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.





PROPHESY FULFILLMENT REPORT:


Jhn 20:24 Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.


Jhn 20:25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”


But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.”


Jhn 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”


Jhn 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”


Jhn 20:28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”


Jhn 20:29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”





Note:When the prophesy was made, crucifixion was NOT a common form of punishment. Crucifixion came during Roman captivity of Israel, because it was a Roman form of punishment.











Mar 15:20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.


Mar 15:21 And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.


Mar 15:22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.


Mar 15:23 And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received [it] not.


Mar 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.


Mar 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.


Mar 15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.


Mar 15:27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.


Mar 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.


Mar 15:29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days,


Mar 15:30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.


Mar 15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.


Mar 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.


Mar 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.


Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


Mar 15:35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard [it], said, Behold, he calleth Elias.


Mar 15:36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put [it] on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.


Mar 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.


Mar 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.


Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.








By the way, the entire 22nd Psalm is very prophetic --the following is the Jewish Publication Society version:


1


For the Leader; upon Aijeleth ha-Shahar. A Psalm of David.


2 My G-d, my G-d, why hast Thou forsaken me, and art far from my help at the words of my cry?


3 O my G-d, I call by day, but Thou answerest not; and at night, and there is no surcease for me.


4 Yet Thou art holy, O Thou that art enthroned upon the praises of Israel.


5 In Thee did our fathers trust; they trusted, and Thou didst deliver them.


6 Unto Thee they cried, and escaped; in Thee did they trust, and were not ashamed.


7 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.


8 All they that see me laugh me to scorn; they shoot out the lip, they shake the head:


9 'Let him commit himself unto HaShem! let Him rescue him; let Him deliver him, seeing He delighteth in him.'


10 For Thou art He that took me out of the womb; Thou madest me trust when I was upon my mother's breasts.


11 Upon Thee I have been cast from my birth; Thou art my G-d from my mother's womb.


12 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.


13 Many bulls have encompassed me; strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.


14 They open wide their mouth against me, as a ravening and a roaring lion.


15 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is become like wax; it is melted in mine inmost parts.


16 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my throat; and Thou layest me in the dust of death.


17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.


18 I may count all my bones; they look and gloat over me.


19 They part my garments among them, and for my vesture do they cast lots.


20 But Thou, O HaShem, be not far off; O Thou my strength, hasten to help me.


21 Deliver my soul from the sword; mine only one from the power of the dog.


22 Save me from the lion's mouth; yea, from the horns of the wild-oxen do Thou answer me.


23 I will declare Thy name unto my brethren; in the midst of the congregation will I praise Thee.


24 'Ye that fear HaShem, praise Him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify Him; and stand in awe of Him, all ye the seed of Israel.


25 For He hath not despised nor abhorred the lowliness of the poor; neither hath He hid His face from him; but when he cried unto Him, He heard.'


26 From Thee cometh my praise in the great congregation; I will pay my vows before them that fear Him.


27 Let the humble eat and be satisfied; let them praise HaShem that seek after Him; may your heart be quickened for ever!


28 All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn unto HaShem; and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before Thee.


29 For the kingdom is HaShem'S; and He is the ruler over the nations.


30 All the fat ones of the earth shall eat and worship; all they that go down to the dust shall kneel before Him, even he that cannot keep his soul alive.


31 A seed shall serve him; it shall be told of the L-rd unto the next generation.


32 They shall come and shall declare His righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that He hath done it.
Well, it says all that in the Bible, but that's probably not the answer you're looking for so I'll tell you a different one too. Crucifixion was a common way to kill people back in the day... it was like the death penalty of the Roman Culture. And they crucified people on crosses.
Many other people in that time period were known to be nailed to a cross. It was the common way to kill someone back then. That was their death penalty.
Jesus (god), had to sacrifice himself to himself (god), so that he could correct a problem of his own doing and not have to torture everybody that he (god) created.
I don't know, but if he was to return to Earth, as some people think will happen, he is going to be mighty pissed off about being remembered as being nailed to a cross, I can tell you that much.





Why would any religion want people to always see their deity on death and not life?





Because they want to make you believe that you have to pay for your ancestors sins and buy into their ****, and keep people in line, which was the reason why organized religion was created. That and money! If there was an all-mighty god, couldn't he create a bank account large enough to not have to steal it from people who need it?





The reason Jesus was ';killed'; on a cross was because of that... Jesus probably never actually existed not to mention if he did the story was all wrong, and was just a poster boy created by the Christians to gain followers of their religion.
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