Watch! This question will get over 20 answers because its rude and insulting God. I ask a mushy, sweet question and only get 8 answers.
Someone ain't right around here lol.Did God demonstrate good parenting skills when he decided to have a son and get him nailed to a cross?
Just keep telling yourself, it was a ritual sacrifice, it was a ritual sacrifice, for the benefit of all humanity.Did God demonstrate good parenting skills when he decided to have a son and get him nailed to a cross?
At least he didn't have a daughter who got nailed.
Creating God in your own image?
God the Father and God the Son and God the Spirit are One. Sin separates people from God. The sacrifice of Jesus atones makes at one, and heals that separation. As such, God, as a loving parent, reunites the errant children with Godself.
Compared to leaving his children for 2000 years, nailing one to the cross is nothing!
Well, Would you nail your son to the cross?? Not me!!!!
This was the ultimate sacrifice to save even Your sorry butt!
Jesus is a part of God, so in essence God died for us.
What exactly are ';good parenting skills';? If you mean he should have kept his Son to himself, than the rest of us would have died in our sins. There was a reason for what he did.
More: Personally, I think that his love for us was demonstrated in the sacrifice of his own Son, and his love for his own Son demonstrated in the resurrection of his own Son.
SHAME ON YOU.
this had nothing 2 do w/ parenting skills and if jesus was not crucified none of us would be here maybe u should read the bible some time because this will answer ur inapropriate questions
God is not the parent in the same way that we humans are. Jesus is God. Jesus was here in a human form. His job was to teach us how to worship God, He was the perfect example. Jesus did what He came to do, exactly what was in the Old Testament prophecy.
Now children, that is exactly what happens when you don't practise safe sex with someone that you aren't married to. The child always gets a Messiah complex and ends up being nailed. A sad fact of life. The lesson is always use a condom.
If you believe he died and stayed dead then no, if you believe the son came back to life and then ascended into heaven for eternity(a better place than Earth, in this sinner's opinion, as a reward for all the good things he did and for being nailed to a cross), then yes.
One sinner's interpretation of heaven: a place in the universe, not on earth, where life is always good - no war, or threat of war, or death, or hunger, etc.)
See reference in the bible if wanted (the following is a paraphrase of a teaching meant for regular people like me, in His sermon on the mount): ....swear not by heaven for it is God's throne, neither by the earth, for it is his footstool...
Yes, it showed that He would do anything for us. Even die for us.
Saturday, January 23, 2010
What was nailed to the cross?
Watch someone say, ';Jesus was nailed to the cross!'; I didn't who was nailed to the cross. We all know Jesus was. The way you answer the question I posted influences your Christian walk. Could it mean that some laws in the O.T. were fulfilled at the cross and only the laws of the N.T. apply today. Some church leaders clain the O.T. laws were nailed to the cross while other say that the special covenant between God and the biological descendants of Abraham was nailed to the cross. Even others say, the Ten Commandments. There is a correct answer, and few even understand where and how to locate the proper response.What was nailed to the cross?
The WHOLE LAW...
The distinction of a ';ceremonial law'; or some other PIECE of the law is purely a human distinction. It cannot be supported from the Bible itself. ';Nailed to the cross'; is an allusion to Colossians 2:14. ';He wiped out the written Law with its rules. The Law was against us. It opposed us. He took it away and nailed it to the cross…'; Paul uses kind of a ';technical formula'; in a similar passage in Ephesians telling us specifically WHAT was nailed to the cross:
Ephesians 2:15 ';He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.';
... He did not put an end to PART of the law, rather, the text tells us it was THE law, including commandments and decrees (the Greek word translated ';commandments'; here is used in several contexts where it directly refers to the ';Ten Commandments). The definite article (the) attached to the word ';law'; in this text nullifies any attempt to splinter pieces and come up with PART of the law being done away with. Such attempts violate the language of this text itself. Definite articles in Greek do not allow such a splintering of the noun which they ';describe.';
... Yes, I said ';done away with.'; Jesus himself PREDICTED the END of the law.
…OK, I know people will remind me that Jesus said he didn’t come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it, (Matthew 5:17) but this DOES NOT MEAN THE LAW IS STILL IN EFFECT. The result was the same, once fulfilled, the law was no longer in effect.
Now, let's look at the very next verse from his statement above, Matthew 5:18. Here Jesus LOOKS FORWARD to the time when the law WOULD BE SET ASIDE. ';...Not even the smallest stroke of a pen will disappear from the Law UNTIL EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED.';
This “UNTIL” clause REINFORCES THE TEMPORARY NATURE OF THE LAW. It ONLY makes sense when we understand that the law was intended FROM THE BEGINNING to be SET ASIDE.What was nailed to the cross?
Jesus was nailed to the cross, literally. Figuratively, the Mosaic Law Code was nailed to the cross, which includes the ten commandments. Jesus fulfilled the Law. The covenant relationship between the Israelites and God came to an end because they didn't accept Jesus as the Messiah.
Paul was the one who said that the Law or the whole of the Jewish Covenant was nailed to the cross, in the sense that it was abolished. Of course, this goes directly against what Jesus said that he had come to confirm the Law and the Prophets, in a word, Judaism. If Jesus was Christ, it's only obvious that Paul was the Antichrist.
the Mosaic law
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Greek for G1378 δόγμα Transliteration
dogma
Pronunciation
do'g-mä (Key)
Part of Speech
neuter noun
Root Word (Etymology)
from the base of G1380
TDNT Reference
2:230,178
Vines
View Entry
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) doctrine, decree, ordinance
a) of public decrees
b) of the Roman Senate
c) of rulers
2) the rules and requirements of the law of Moses; carrying a suggestion of severity and of threatened judgment
3) of certain decrees of the apostles relative to right living
What ended at the cross was the appropriateness of blood sacrifice in the temple. As Dan. said 'sacrifice and oblation will cease.'. The Law is the marriage covenant. If you reject that, you thus reject the Savior YAHOSHUA.
Luke 23:38 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
38 And an inscription also was written over Him in letters of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew:[a]
THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
no, it was a man who looked a like 'eesaa [jesus] 'alaihi salaam. he didn't die on some so-called cross for anyones sins. if you believe that how about this? once apon a time there were 3 bears, a poppa' bear, a momma' bear %26amp; a baby bear. 'eesaa [jesus] 'alaihi salaam was nothing more than an outstanding prophet of allah [god] ta'alaa.
All the sins of all mankind, including mine and yours. As well as the curse that was the result of sin.
When Jesus was nailed to the cross, He took all our sins and transgressions with Him. Our Savior was nailed to the cross and died for us.
a sign saying Jesus of nazareth,king of the jews was nailed above Jesus.s head when they crucified him. INRI
We dont live under the 10 commandments and never have. They were only for the Jews from Moses coming down from the mount until Jesus's resurrection.
When Jesus resurrected, the old Mosaic covenant was fulfilled and completed by Christ and a new and better covenant took its place., the covenant of Grace.
Heb 8
6 But now Jesus, our High Priest, has been given a ministry that is far superior to the old priesthood, for he is the one who mediates for us a far better covenant with God, based on better promises.
7 If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. 8 But when God found fault with the people, he said:
“The day is coming, says the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel and Judah.
9 This covenant will not be like the one
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
and led them out of the land of Egypt.
They did not remain faithful to my covenant,
so I turned my back on them, says the Lord.
10 But this is the new covenant I will make
with the people of Israel on that day,[c] says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds,
and I will write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
______________________________________…
The WHOLE LAW...
The distinction of a ';ceremonial law'; or some other PIECE of the law is purely a human distinction. It cannot be supported from the Bible itself. ';Nailed to the cross'; is an allusion to Colossians 2:14. ';He wiped out the written Law with its rules. The Law was against us. It opposed us. He took it away and nailed it to the cross…'; Paul uses kind of a ';technical formula'; in a similar passage in Ephesians telling us specifically WHAT was nailed to the cross:
Ephesians 2:15 ';He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.';
... He did not put an end to PART of the law, rather, the text tells us it was THE law, including commandments and decrees (the Greek word translated ';commandments'; here is used in several contexts where it directly refers to the ';Ten Commandments). The definite article (the) attached to the word ';law'; in this text nullifies any attempt to splinter pieces and come up with PART of the law being done away with. Such attempts violate the language of this text itself. Definite articles in Greek do not allow such a splintering of the noun which they ';describe.';
... Yes, I said ';done away with.'; Jesus himself PREDICTED the END of the law.
…OK, I know people will remind me that Jesus said he didn’t come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it, (Matthew 5:17) but this DOES NOT MEAN THE LAW IS STILL IN EFFECT. The result was the same, once fulfilled, the law was no longer in effect.
Now, let's look at the very next verse from his statement above, Matthew 5:18. Here Jesus LOOKS FORWARD to the time when the law WOULD BE SET ASIDE. ';...Not even the smallest stroke of a pen will disappear from the Law UNTIL EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED.';
This “UNTIL” clause REINFORCES THE TEMPORARY NATURE OF THE LAW. It ONLY makes sense when we understand that the law was intended FROM THE BEGINNING to be SET ASIDE.What was nailed to the cross?
Jesus was nailed to the cross, literally. Figuratively, the Mosaic Law Code was nailed to the cross, which includes the ten commandments. Jesus fulfilled the Law. The covenant relationship between the Israelites and God came to an end because they didn't accept Jesus as the Messiah.
Paul was the one who said that the Law or the whole of the Jewish Covenant was nailed to the cross, in the sense that it was abolished. Of course, this goes directly against what Jesus said that he had come to confirm the Law and the Prophets, in a word, Judaism. If Jesus was Christ, it's only obvious that Paul was the Antichrist.
the Mosaic law
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Greek for G1378 δόγμα Transliteration
dogma
Pronunciation
do'g-mä (Key)
Part of Speech
neuter noun
Root Word (Etymology)
from the base of G1380
TDNT Reference
2:230,178
Vines
View Entry
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) doctrine, decree, ordinance
a) of public decrees
b) of the Roman Senate
c) of rulers
2) the rules and requirements of the law of Moses; carrying a suggestion of severity and of threatened judgment
3) of certain decrees of the apostles relative to right living
What ended at the cross was the appropriateness of blood sacrifice in the temple. As Dan. said 'sacrifice and oblation will cease.'. The Law is the marriage covenant. If you reject that, you thus reject the Savior YAHOSHUA.
Luke 23:38 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
38 And an inscription also was written over Him in letters of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew:[a]
THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
no, it was a man who looked a like 'eesaa [jesus] 'alaihi salaam. he didn't die on some so-called cross for anyones sins. if you believe that how about this? once apon a time there were 3 bears, a poppa' bear, a momma' bear %26amp; a baby bear. 'eesaa [jesus] 'alaihi salaam was nothing more than an outstanding prophet of allah [god] ta'alaa.
All the sins of all mankind, including mine and yours. As well as the curse that was the result of sin.
When Jesus was nailed to the cross, He took all our sins and transgressions with Him. Our Savior was nailed to the cross and died for us.
a sign saying Jesus of nazareth,king of the jews was nailed above Jesus.s head when they crucified him. INRI
We dont live under the 10 commandments and never have. They were only for the Jews from Moses coming down from the mount until Jesus's resurrection.
When Jesus resurrected, the old Mosaic covenant was fulfilled and completed by Christ and a new and better covenant took its place., the covenant of Grace.
Heb 8
6 But now Jesus, our High Priest, has been given a ministry that is far superior to the old priesthood, for he is the one who mediates for us a far better covenant with God, based on better promises.
7 If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. 8 But when God found fault with the people, he said:
“The day is coming, says the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel and Judah.
9 This covenant will not be like the one
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
and led them out of the land of Egypt.
They did not remain faithful to my covenant,
so I turned my back on them, says the Lord.
10 But this is the new covenant I will make
with the people of Israel on that day,[c] says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds,
and I will write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
______________________________________…
If live by the sword-die by the sword is true, is it fitting that Jesus (a carpenter) died nailed to a cross?
And what did Jesus ';build'; anyway? (Besides a dangerous religious cult)If live by the sword-die by the sword is true, is it fitting that Jesus (a carpenter) died nailed to a cross?
SWEET! How very clever and amusing.If live by the sword-die by the sword is true, is it fitting that Jesus (a carpenter) died nailed to a cross?
Good one!
He built a belief in God, He built a compassion for the less fortunate he built love.
I am curious about your comment.. cult ok that can fit as a cult means by definition A system of religious beliefs and rituals all religions are a cult. I don't get the dangerous part, how do you see Christianity dangerous?
=T well it doesn't work in Jesus' case..because he Didn't live by the sword. he preached tolerance, love, kindness, regardless of race, religion, he opened his arms and love to everybody, even if they weren't ';jewish'; or whoever was supposedly his followers.
so that was why it was considered a Pure Sacrifice, because he did Nothing against the people who wanted him dead..even Pontius Pilate said he saw NO blame in this man, and he washed his hands of the guilt.
you take the cake ! Sir I salute to you.......... but if we go by live / die by sword then can we take it for granted that Osama Bin Laden would suicide bomb his own plane when it is flying right above his home?
Although I doubt Jesus started a religious cult!
I'm a writer...does that mean im gonna die because a bunch of books are gonna fall on my head?
ROFLMAO
it does fit!
This question wins!
I love this question, but, would hate to answer it!!
2 points
nice
Well in that case....If I plan on being a Sexologist does that mean I should die by sex!?
Its apparent you are not a christian.Thats your choice but most of us believe he died for our sins.Yes yours and mine too.
interesting die by the sword comment, although I hardly consider what he started a dangerous cult.
You missed the point entirely bucko.
He built the pyramids, jackass. What kind of stuff do you think he built? national monuments?
That would be ironic if he was a cross carpenter. I wonder if he left a trademark logo on the crucifixions on crosses he carpentized.
Could you imagine the fine print on cross making companies? ';Etched of fine Mahogony, we've executed hundreds of clients. We guarantee a fail-safe or your money back.';
We're not sure, remember, that Jesus ever existed. The mythology, however, states that he embraced the controversy he was stirring up, and would turn parents and children against each other. He also told people to leave their old people to bury each other and follow him.
People were crucified for less in those days.
as I remember in my studies Jesus made furniture like small tables or what we call a coffe table but I can not say this with a certainty,, and as far as being fitting that was just the sick way of the roman empire,
I always wondered about that. You see those bumper stickers that say things like, ';My boss is a Jewish Carpenter,'; but the bible is short on passages that have anything to do with carpentry. Might be interesting, though:
And Joseph, seeing that the board was cut improperly, cursed it unto hell. And Jesus spake to him, ';If I have told thee once, I have told thee a thousand times: Measure twice, cut once.';
Christian organizations, especially the Catholic Church, feed and house and clothe and educate and medicate and counsel more people than any other organization in the world.
So, why do you think it's a ';dangerous cult.';
It's not ';dangerous'; simply because it holds moral teachings that you don't want to hear, and that don't jive with your lifestyle.
I laugh.
yes because jesus lived in a town that was located next to a sword-making village, therefore lived by it
and he built a great summer vacation home for his cousin jahova
I like the way you think. Very pithy.
There is nothing dangerous about Jesus, and Christianity is not a cult.
We only fail when we as a society fail to follow him.
Peace!
That is so wrong, but I laugh anyway.
yeah, it was his karma--never knew J was carpenter (I am very ignorant of Bible %26amp; Christian religions), and so I do not know of wooden creations by Jesus, maybe he built the cross
Well, ';live by the sword-die by the sword'; really means if you insist on living a life of violence you will likely die by violence. I don't think that applies to anything I have ever heard about Jesus - do you?
I think carpenters in that day and age built homes for people, right? Let's try to see the best in people even if we don't agree with their spiritual views.
Peace!
You are apparently not aware that God came in the flesh to pay the price by dying on the cross for your many sins as well as for all the other souls created by Him.
I feel sorry for you but that's OK as you know what your outcome will be. Death.
Still time to repent for we all are under the Grace of God till He returns and that's that.
By the way, Jesus Christ built everything that is out of nothing that existed. What have you done in comparison to that?
Hope to see you in Heaven soon.%26gt;%26lt;%26gt;
and your point is ....sss
Based on your assessment, I would love to see a clown die.
I bet it would be really funny.
What exactly about Christianity do you consider a cult? You are probably generalizing like most anti-Christianity people do. Racists generalize a group of people based on a select few- which is the same thing you are doing.makeup
SWEET! How very clever and amusing.If live by the sword-die by the sword is true, is it fitting that Jesus (a carpenter) died nailed to a cross?
Good one!
He built a belief in God, He built a compassion for the less fortunate he built love.
I am curious about your comment.. cult ok that can fit as a cult means by definition A system of religious beliefs and rituals all religions are a cult. I don't get the dangerous part, how do you see Christianity dangerous?
=T well it doesn't work in Jesus' case..because he Didn't live by the sword. he preached tolerance, love, kindness, regardless of race, religion, he opened his arms and love to everybody, even if they weren't ';jewish'; or whoever was supposedly his followers.
so that was why it was considered a Pure Sacrifice, because he did Nothing against the people who wanted him dead..even Pontius Pilate said he saw NO blame in this man, and he washed his hands of the guilt.
you take the cake ! Sir I salute to you.......... but if we go by live / die by sword then can we take it for granted that Osama Bin Laden would suicide bomb his own plane when it is flying right above his home?
Although I doubt Jesus started a religious cult!
I'm a writer...does that mean im gonna die because a bunch of books are gonna fall on my head?
ROFLMAO
it does fit!
This question wins!
I love this question, but, would hate to answer it!!
2 points
nice
Well in that case....If I plan on being a Sexologist does that mean I should die by sex!?
Its apparent you are not a christian.Thats your choice but most of us believe he died for our sins.Yes yours and mine too.
interesting die by the sword comment, although I hardly consider what he started a dangerous cult.
You missed the point entirely bucko.
He built the pyramids, jackass. What kind of stuff do you think he built? national monuments?
That would be ironic if he was a cross carpenter. I wonder if he left a trademark logo on the crucifixions on crosses he carpentized.
Could you imagine the fine print on cross making companies? ';Etched of fine Mahogony, we've executed hundreds of clients. We guarantee a fail-safe or your money back.';
We're not sure, remember, that Jesus ever existed. The mythology, however, states that he embraced the controversy he was stirring up, and would turn parents and children against each other. He also told people to leave their old people to bury each other and follow him.
People were crucified for less in those days.
as I remember in my studies Jesus made furniture like small tables or what we call a coffe table but I can not say this with a certainty,, and as far as being fitting that was just the sick way of the roman empire,
I always wondered about that. You see those bumper stickers that say things like, ';My boss is a Jewish Carpenter,'; but the bible is short on passages that have anything to do with carpentry. Might be interesting, though:
And Joseph, seeing that the board was cut improperly, cursed it unto hell. And Jesus spake to him, ';If I have told thee once, I have told thee a thousand times: Measure twice, cut once.';
Christian organizations, especially the Catholic Church, feed and house and clothe and educate and medicate and counsel more people than any other organization in the world.
So, why do you think it's a ';dangerous cult.';
It's not ';dangerous'; simply because it holds moral teachings that you don't want to hear, and that don't jive with your lifestyle.
I laugh.
yes because jesus lived in a town that was located next to a sword-making village, therefore lived by it
and he built a great summer vacation home for his cousin jahova
I like the way you think. Very pithy.
There is nothing dangerous about Jesus, and Christianity is not a cult.
We only fail when we as a society fail to follow him.
Peace!
That is so wrong, but I laugh anyway.
yeah, it was his karma--never knew J was carpenter (I am very ignorant of Bible %26amp; Christian religions), and so I do not know of wooden creations by Jesus, maybe he built the cross
Well, ';live by the sword-die by the sword'; really means if you insist on living a life of violence you will likely die by violence. I don't think that applies to anything I have ever heard about Jesus - do you?
I think carpenters in that day and age built homes for people, right? Let's try to see the best in people even if we don't agree with their spiritual views.
Peace!
You are apparently not aware that God came in the flesh to pay the price by dying on the cross for your many sins as well as for all the other souls created by Him.
I feel sorry for you but that's OK as you know what your outcome will be. Death.
Still time to repent for we all are under the Grace of God till He returns and that's that.
By the way, Jesus Christ built everything that is out of nothing that existed. What have you done in comparison to that?
Hope to see you in Heaven soon.%26gt;%26lt;%26gt;
and your point is ....sss
Based on your assessment, I would love to see a clown die.
I bet it would be really funny.
What exactly about Christianity do you consider a cult? You are probably generalizing like most anti-Christianity people do. Racists generalize a group of people based on a select few- which is the same thing you are doing.
Catholic friends: Kissing and/or bowing an almost naked man nailed on a cross, isn't idolatry???
Pls see Commandment #2.Catholic friends: Kissing and/or bowing an almost naked man nailed on a cross, isn't idolatry???
No.
+ Idolatry +
The Commandment forbids idolatry. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc.
In the lands that surrounded Israel, there were many who worshiped false gods including the Egyptians. Later the Jews had to deal with the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses worshiped by their Governors and occupying forces.
Today people put many things in front of God in their lives including money, status, self, power, etc.
A statue of Jesus Christ, the Son of one true God, on the cross at the most important moment of human history is not an idol to a false god.
+ Graven Images +
Do you have pictures of your loved ones? Have you ever looked at the picture of someone while talking on the phone to them?
Statues and pictures of people we love are not idols.
Statues and paintings of Jesus and the saints are just like pictures of the people we love and respect.
The King James Version of the Bible states in Exodus 20:4: ';Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth';
Why were the Jews commanded not to make graven images? Graven images were the standard method of pagan worship. They were representations of false gods.
This is a very clear command.
However God commanded the Jews in Exodus 25:18 and 1 Chronicles 28:18鈥?9, ';And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them';
And in 1 Kings chapter 7 Solomon made bulls and other images out of precious metals.
It seems obvious that the Jews did not worship the cherubims and Solomon did not worship the bulls he had made. These images did not violate the command of God. Therefore, an image not made for worship is acceptable.
In Numbers 21:8-9, ';And the LORD said to Moses, ';Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover.'; Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever anyone who had been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered.';
And in John 3:14-15, Jesus says in correlation, ';And just as Moses lifted up the [image of a] serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.';
How can a statue of our Lord Jesus Christ dead on the cross be considered an idol to a false god? A crucifix is the message of the Gospel without words held up for all to see, a visual reminder of the sacrifice of Jesus, no different from a painting, a play, or a movie.
Catholics do not worship statues but the almighty God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
With love in Christ.Catholic friends: Kissing and/or bowing an almost naked man nailed on a cross, isn't idolatry???
Pastor Billy says: why would a follower of Judaism who has decided to reject the Messiah post a question like this one?
I mean no answer would be adequate for you correct. Just wonder what is your opinion of the Jews in the desert who bow before the serpent on the pole that Mose had fashioned?
Listen you have so little respect for Christians I'll pray you're not struck down with a sickness.
When Jesus is sold for thirty pieces of silver or his hands and feet are pierced on the cross, the disciples do not discover this by sticking their noses into the book of Zechariah or Psalm 22. Rather, after Jesus is raised, they remember that these things were written and, blinking their eyes in amazement, say, ';It was staring us in the face all along, and we didn鈥檛 see it!'; The Old Testament is not the basis of their belief in these things; it is the witness to these things. Sounds familiar doesn't it sort of like Pharisaical Judaism.
Yeah, that's pretty much what it is. I grew up Catholic (which is why I feel I can criticize the way they ';worship'; God), and am currently searching for a new church as a result of contradictory practices of the Catholic church. They preach the Bible, yet they do something else, it doesn't make sense to me. But anyway, I would say that is idolatry.
The crucifix, like other images and/or statues found inside a Catholic Church, are called ';sacramentals';. Some non-Catholics like to think the bowing to or kissing of these objects constitutes idolatry, almost as if they desire the condemnation of Catholics.
Please see:
Deut. 4:15 - from this verse, Protestants say that since we saw ';no form'; of the Lord, we should not make graven images of Him.
Deut. 4:16 - of course, in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn't yet reveal himself visibly ';in the form of any figure.';
Deut. 4:17-19 - hence, had the Israelites depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form of a beast, bird, reptile or fish, which was a common error of the times.
Exodus 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32; Acts 2:3- later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a dove, fire, etc).
Deut. 5:8 - God's commandment ';thou shall not make a graven image'; is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.
Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God.
Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural.
I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon's temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship.
2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God's wrath, and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.
1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews' most solemn place of worship.
2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold.
Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches.
Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the ';image'; (Greek ';eikon';) of the invisible God.
As far as Jesus being almost naked, Matthew 27:35 - 35: And when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots;
no, not if you are not worshipping the statue. as for commandment two, which numbering method are you referring to? catholic or protetant? there is a difference in the way which we number the commandments
';As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life'; (John 3:14鈥?5) cf(Numbers 21:9 ).
Adoration or veneration of an image or representation of Christ's cross does not mean that we are actually adoring the material image, of course, but rather what it represents. In kneeling before the crucifix and kissing it we are paying the highest honor to the our Lord's cross as the instrument of our salvation. Because the Cross is inseparable from His sacrifice, in reverencing His Cross we are, in effect, adoring Christ. Thus we affirm: 'We adore Thee, O Christ, and we bless Thee because by Thy Holy Cross Thou has Redeemed the World.'
It isn't idolatory because the Man we kiss and bow to is God Almighty. Why is He almost naked? Because they took away His Robe and cast lots for it.
Here is the difference between you and Catholics. Catholics like Mary and John stay at the foot of the cross and worship the Lord and share in His sufferings. Whereas people like you stand afar like the Pharisees and the Roman soldiers and mock the Lord in His nakedness and shame, and mock the ones who stand at the foot of the Cross worshipping Him.
RNW was trying to explain to you (patiently and politely )the parallel between seeing the one you love in a picture or a wooden cross. You dont have to be rude just because you are the one asking the question.
Our God is alive, yes or no?
Have a picture of my dead mother, s that an idol?
Do not trash our worship of our Lord. :
He is nearly naked because that's how He died on the cross. It's a pretty accurate depiction.
Idolatry? No. Our worship and devotion is to Jesus, and we are simply expressing that by showing affection using a representation of Him, like a status/picture/etc. Idol worship is against the 2nd commandment.
http://catholic.com/library/Do_Catholics鈥?/a>
When my husband is away, I've been known to kiss his picture because I miss him. I can't kiss him so I kiss his image as a substitute. My husband knows I am not in love with the picture. I may like the picture but only because it reminds me of my husband. My husband is not jealous of the picture when I kiss it, because he knows that my affection is not truly directed at the picture but at him. Sometimes I weep because I miss my husband and hold his picture in my arms while I sleep. My husband knows all of this and yet, has never once contemplated divorce on the grounds that I have had an emotional affair with his picture.
I long to stand with the faithful disciples at the foot of the cross and comfort Our Lord as He made that sacrifice for us. If I could, I would kiss His feet and and just be with Him because what happened there had to happen so that I could be with Him forever. But time separates me and He is in heaven and I cannot be there where I long to be and fear to be all at the same time. And so I kiss the crucifix, for the same inexplicable reason I kiss the picture of my husband when I long to be with him but cannot.
No.
+ Idolatry +
The Commandment forbids idolatry. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc.
In the lands that surrounded Israel, there were many who worshiped false gods including the Egyptians. Later the Jews had to deal with the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses worshiped by their Governors and occupying forces.
Today people put many things in front of God in their lives including money, status, self, power, etc.
A statue of Jesus Christ, the Son of one true God, on the cross at the most important moment of human history is not an idol to a false god.
+ Graven Images +
Do you have pictures of your loved ones? Have you ever looked at the picture of someone while talking on the phone to them?
Statues and pictures of people we love are not idols.
Statues and paintings of Jesus and the saints are just like pictures of the people we love and respect.
The King James Version of the Bible states in Exodus 20:4: ';Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth';
Why were the Jews commanded not to make graven images? Graven images were the standard method of pagan worship. They were representations of false gods.
This is a very clear command.
However God commanded the Jews in Exodus 25:18 and 1 Chronicles 28:18鈥?9, ';And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them';
And in 1 Kings chapter 7 Solomon made bulls and other images out of precious metals.
It seems obvious that the Jews did not worship the cherubims and Solomon did not worship the bulls he had made. These images did not violate the command of God. Therefore, an image not made for worship is acceptable.
In Numbers 21:8-9, ';And the LORD said to Moses, ';Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover.'; Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever anyone who had been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered.';
And in John 3:14-15, Jesus says in correlation, ';And just as Moses lifted up the [image of a] serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.';
How can a statue of our Lord Jesus Christ dead on the cross be considered an idol to a false god? A crucifix is the message of the Gospel without words held up for all to see, a visual reminder of the sacrifice of Jesus, no different from a painting, a play, or a movie.
Catholics do not worship statues but the almighty God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
With love in Christ.Catholic friends: Kissing and/or bowing an almost naked man nailed on a cross, isn't idolatry???
Pastor Billy says: why would a follower of Judaism who has decided to reject the Messiah post a question like this one?
I mean no answer would be adequate for you correct. Just wonder what is your opinion of the Jews in the desert who bow before the serpent on the pole that Mose had fashioned?
Listen you have so little respect for Christians I'll pray you're not struck down with a sickness.
When Jesus is sold for thirty pieces of silver or his hands and feet are pierced on the cross, the disciples do not discover this by sticking their noses into the book of Zechariah or Psalm 22. Rather, after Jesus is raised, they remember that these things were written and, blinking their eyes in amazement, say, ';It was staring us in the face all along, and we didn鈥檛 see it!'; The Old Testament is not the basis of their belief in these things; it is the witness to these things. Sounds familiar doesn't it sort of like Pharisaical Judaism.
Yeah, that's pretty much what it is. I grew up Catholic (which is why I feel I can criticize the way they ';worship'; God), and am currently searching for a new church as a result of contradictory practices of the Catholic church. They preach the Bible, yet they do something else, it doesn't make sense to me. But anyway, I would say that is idolatry.
The crucifix, like other images and/or statues found inside a Catholic Church, are called ';sacramentals';. Some non-Catholics like to think the bowing to or kissing of these objects constitutes idolatry, almost as if they desire the condemnation of Catholics.
Please see:
Deut. 4:15 - from this verse, Protestants say that since we saw ';no form'; of the Lord, we should not make graven images of Him.
Deut. 4:16 - of course, in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn't yet reveal himself visibly ';in the form of any figure.';
Deut. 4:17-19 - hence, had the Israelites depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form of a beast, bird, reptile or fish, which was a common error of the times.
Exodus 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32; Acts 2:3- later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a dove, fire, etc).
Deut. 5:8 - God's commandment ';thou shall not make a graven image'; is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.
Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God.
Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural.
I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon's temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship.
2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God's wrath, and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.
1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews' most solemn place of worship.
2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold.
Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches.
Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the ';image'; (Greek ';eikon';) of the invisible God.
As far as Jesus being almost naked, Matthew 27:35 - 35: And when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots;
no, not if you are not worshipping the statue. as for commandment two, which numbering method are you referring to? catholic or protetant? there is a difference in the way which we number the commandments
';As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life'; (John 3:14鈥?5) cf(Numbers 21:9 ).
Adoration or veneration of an image or representation of Christ's cross does not mean that we are actually adoring the material image, of course, but rather what it represents. In kneeling before the crucifix and kissing it we are paying the highest honor to the our Lord's cross as the instrument of our salvation. Because the Cross is inseparable from His sacrifice, in reverencing His Cross we are, in effect, adoring Christ. Thus we affirm: 'We adore Thee, O Christ, and we bless Thee because by Thy Holy Cross Thou has Redeemed the World.'
It isn't idolatory because the Man we kiss and bow to is God Almighty. Why is He almost naked? Because they took away His Robe and cast lots for it.
Here is the difference between you and Catholics. Catholics like Mary and John stay at the foot of the cross and worship the Lord and share in His sufferings. Whereas people like you stand afar like the Pharisees and the Roman soldiers and mock the Lord in His nakedness and shame, and mock the ones who stand at the foot of the Cross worshipping Him.
RNW was trying to explain to you (patiently and politely )the parallel between seeing the one you love in a picture or a wooden cross. You dont have to be rude just because you are the one asking the question.
Our God is alive, yes or no?
Have a picture of my dead mother, s that an idol?
Do not trash our worship of our Lord. :
He is nearly naked because that's how He died on the cross. It's a pretty accurate depiction.
Idolatry? No. Our worship and devotion is to Jesus, and we are simply expressing that by showing affection using a representation of Him, like a status/picture/etc. Idol worship is against the 2nd commandment.
http://catholic.com/library/Do_Catholics鈥?/a>
When my husband is away, I've been known to kiss his picture because I miss him. I can't kiss him so I kiss his image as a substitute. My husband knows I am not in love with the picture. I may like the picture but only because it reminds me of my husband. My husband is not jealous of the picture when I kiss it, because he knows that my affection is not truly directed at the picture but at him. Sometimes I weep because I miss my husband and hold his picture in my arms while I sleep. My husband knows all of this and yet, has never once contemplated divorce on the grounds that I have had an emotional affair with his picture.
I long to stand with the faithful disciples at the foot of the cross and comfort Our Lord as He made that sacrifice for us. If I could, I would kiss His feet and and just be with Him because what happened there had to happen so that I could be with Him forever. But time separates me and He is in heaven and I cannot be there where I long to be and fear to be all at the same time. And so I kiss the crucifix, for the same inexplicable reason I kiss the picture of my husband when I long to be with him but cannot.
Was Jesus nailed or tied to the cross when he was crucified?
Which one do you believe happened? Which one do you think is more realistic?Was Jesus nailed or tied to the cross when he was crucified?
i don't believe his weight (or the weight of any person) could support being just nailed to a cross. the weight of the body would rip the nails through the flesh of the hands if only nails were used to support the body from the hands.
the most likely scenario for crucifixion deaths was that the condemned were tied to the crosses, then nailed so that they would slowly bleed out.
the biblical story relates that the roman guard who speared jesus did so in kindness so as to hasten his death.Was Jesus nailed or tied to the cross when he was crucified?
I suspect it would be both, and because of the political nature of the death of Christ I imagine they would want to make it that way just to make him suffer, and keep his body attached to the cross as long as possible
As to anyone else that was crucified, it could have been one or the other, or both again.
What a horrible way to go!
The act of executing by crucifixion was a method widespread in the ancient world.
That's how they did it back then, and for all criminals condemend to death.
The criminal's hands and feet are bound and nailed to a cross, with the Nail thru the wrists, not the Palm of the hand.
Nailed.
From the Gospel accounts, the victim of crucifixion was 1st flogged or beaten, and had to carry the cross to the public place of execution. The condemned was then stripped of his clothing and was crucified.
Death by crucifixion was agonizing. The victim nailed to the cross through the hands, or wrists and feet, which resulted in very little loss of blood. Because of the nonfatal initial injuries to the condemned, death came slowly by exposure, shock, and aspiration caused by exhaustion, with the weakened victim unable to pull himself up in order to breathe.
I believe that this happened to my Lord Jesus the Christ, and more. Jesus was ridiculed, considered cursed, and the soldiers gambled over His clothing at the foot of His cross, and He was given a vinegar gall to drink when His tongue was stuck to the roof of His mouth..
Jesus shed His blood not only on the cross, but in 7 - different places according to theologians:
1.) In the Garden of Gethsemane.
2.) On the whipping post.
3. ) At the cross..
4.) His pierced hands.
5.) His pierced feet.
6.) His pierced side / heart.
7. ) The crown of thorns placed on His brow.
Nailed
I think it's more realistic to believe he was nailed, because they were quite...brutal...back then. Just think of the atrocities of the Crusades 1000 years later, and multiply that by 5 times. =)
EDIT:
Heh, he was probably tied, too, now that I think about it.... It would have added extra security and held him up longer.
the nails I would imagine would be painful and make someone recoil in hurt, jerking their hands away as soon as possible. If they were tied in place then I think the crucifiers wouldn't have to be in the way of the nailing hammer.
Tied to keep from escaping, nailed for the act.
John 20:24-29 (King James Version)
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Conclusion: Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails,
Jesus was nailed to the cross along with our sin. In reality, the sign above His head would have listed the crime for which the condemed was placed on the cross and for Jesus....it essentially listed the sin of the world.
http://shatterdmen.com/Indictment.htm
If you want your sin to be included too..check the link below
Hmmm....nailed because that's what the bible says and you know what? The bible is ALWAYS right! *sarcasm* But no, I don't think any is realistic because I don't believe in the existence of Jesus. But if such crucifications held place I believe they must of been tied and nailed. Those bastards....so cruel back then %26gt;%26gt;
Nailed.The bible says so. No mention of ropes on his wrists and feet. The only reason that you see ropes in films of the crucifixion is because no actor is going to be actually nailed to a cross.
Nailing was not uncommon at the time. According to Roman historical records, he was executed for multiple murder, a very serious crime, which would probably have got hi the nail treatment.
Tied. Maybe nailed also.
According to the Bible He was nailed. So I believe He was nailed to the cross...
He was nailed. Just look at the Bible to find out. It says it plainly.
At that time of history, all executed on cross(stake), were nailed to it
Both. First He was nailed then He was tied just in case the nails didn't hold Him on the cross.
Realistically, he would've been tied and nailed to the cross by his wrists, not his hands.
I say tied.
Who,cares ?
dude, i was barbed wired to the cross
translation from Quran ch 4:
156 And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary السلام عليهما) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse);
157 And because of their saying (in boast), ';We killed Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,'; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of 'Îsa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام]:
158 But Allah raised him ['Îsa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he عليه السلام is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.
159 And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) but must believe in him ['Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being] before his ['Îsa (Jesus) عليه السلام) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Îsa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them.
i don't believe his weight (or the weight of any person) could support being just nailed to a cross. the weight of the body would rip the nails through the flesh of the hands if only nails were used to support the body from the hands.
the most likely scenario for crucifixion deaths was that the condemned were tied to the crosses, then nailed so that they would slowly bleed out.
the biblical story relates that the roman guard who speared jesus did so in kindness so as to hasten his death.Was Jesus nailed or tied to the cross when he was crucified?
I suspect it would be both, and because of the political nature of the death of Christ I imagine they would want to make it that way just to make him suffer, and keep his body attached to the cross as long as possible
As to anyone else that was crucified, it could have been one or the other, or both again.
What a horrible way to go!
The act of executing by crucifixion was a method widespread in the ancient world.
That's how they did it back then, and for all criminals condemend to death.
The criminal's hands and feet are bound and nailed to a cross, with the Nail thru the wrists, not the Palm of the hand.
Nailed.
From the Gospel accounts, the victim of crucifixion was 1st flogged or beaten, and had to carry the cross to the public place of execution. The condemned was then stripped of his clothing and was crucified.
Death by crucifixion was agonizing. The victim nailed to the cross through the hands, or wrists and feet, which resulted in very little loss of blood. Because of the nonfatal initial injuries to the condemned, death came slowly by exposure, shock, and aspiration caused by exhaustion, with the weakened victim unable to pull himself up in order to breathe.
I believe that this happened to my Lord Jesus the Christ, and more. Jesus was ridiculed, considered cursed, and the soldiers gambled over His clothing at the foot of His cross, and He was given a vinegar gall to drink when His tongue was stuck to the roof of His mouth..
Jesus shed His blood not only on the cross, but in 7 - different places according to theologians:
1.) In the Garden of Gethsemane.
2.) On the whipping post.
3. ) At the cross..
4.) His pierced hands.
5.) His pierced feet.
6.) His pierced side / heart.
7. ) The crown of thorns placed on His brow.
Nailed
I think it's more realistic to believe he was nailed, because they were quite...brutal...back then. Just think of the atrocities of the Crusades 1000 years later, and multiply that by 5 times. =)
EDIT:
Heh, he was probably tied, too, now that I think about it.... It would have added extra security and held him up longer.
the nails I would imagine would be painful and make someone recoil in hurt, jerking their hands away as soon as possible. If they were tied in place then I think the crucifiers wouldn't have to be in the way of the nailing hammer.
Tied to keep from escaping, nailed for the act.
John 20:24-29 (King James Version)
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Conclusion: Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails,
Jesus was nailed to the cross along with our sin. In reality, the sign above His head would have listed the crime for which the condemed was placed on the cross and for Jesus....it essentially listed the sin of the world.
http://shatterdmen.com/Indictment.htm
If you want your sin to be included too..check the link below
Hmmm....nailed because that's what the bible says and you know what? The bible is ALWAYS right! *sarcasm* But no, I don't think any is realistic because I don't believe in the existence of Jesus. But if such crucifications held place I believe they must of been tied and nailed. Those bastards....so cruel back then %26gt;%26gt;
Nailed.The bible says so. No mention of ropes on his wrists and feet. The only reason that you see ropes in films of the crucifixion is because no actor is going to be actually nailed to a cross.
Nailing was not uncommon at the time. According to Roman historical records, he was executed for multiple murder, a very serious crime, which would probably have got hi the nail treatment.
Tied. Maybe nailed also.
According to the Bible He was nailed. So I believe He was nailed to the cross...
He was nailed. Just look at the Bible to find out. It says it plainly.
At that time of history, all executed on cross(stake), were nailed to it
Both. First He was nailed then He was tied just in case the nails didn't hold Him on the cross.
Realistically, he would've been tied and nailed to the cross by his wrists, not his hands.
I say tied.
Who,cares ?
dude, i was barbed wired to the cross
translation from Quran ch 4:
156 And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary السلام عليهما) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse);
157 And because of their saying (in boast), ';We killed Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,'; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of 'Îsa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام]:
158 But Allah raised him ['Îsa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he عليه السلام is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.
159 And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) but must believe in him ['Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being] before his ['Îsa (Jesus) عليه السلام) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Îsa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them.
Spiritually speaking: What would you do if someone nailed YOUR kid to a cross?
Better ask what I wouldn't do to that sick SOB... it's a much shorter list.Spiritually speaking: What would you do if someone nailed YOUR kid to a cross?
Id kill them.
Very easily said ^^Spiritually speaking: What would you do if someone nailed YOUR kid to a cross?
If someone had the power to steal your child and execute him...what more could you do but die with him, spiritually speaking...? Now, that being from a human point of view of course...
You won't ever have to worry about that now will you, LARD??
Spiritually speaking, nothing. Physically speaking, I think ball-pean hammer to the face would suffice.
That depends on whether they ask for forgiveness, or not. and if not I would just have to toss their dumbass into hell.
Be thankful I didn't have to raise the little bugger anymore.
I'd let him nail me to a cross so that my grand childern and their offsprings and their children are saved from hell as I intercede them in their dream.
I'd resurrect him to my heaven and make him sit at my right hand for the rest of eternity. From there he can judge all heathens to his heart's content, and send the vilest to the hell-fire I created precisely for that purpose.
i'd say that's a 10 on the ';how pissed would i be'; scale
i'd say you shouldn't of made yourself a target by saying you could do all these illogical things.
I'd be pretty ticked, myself - do a little house cleaning.
But then, I wouldn't set it up as a sacrifice in the first place to fit my long-term agenda.
Spiritually I would die a thousand deaths. Then I'd hunt them down and bring them to justice.
I will make sure, he/she knows nothing but pain anymore...
If I were an all empowered being.... it wouldn't have happened at all because I wouldn't have played guessing games and I'd been right there to introduce my kid to the world with a warning and perhaps a bolt of lightening and a thunderclap just for good measure.
I'd probably nail his @$$ to the wall.
Id kill them.
Very easily said ^^Spiritually speaking: What would you do if someone nailed YOUR kid to a cross?
If someone had the power to steal your child and execute him...what more could you do but die with him, spiritually speaking...? Now, that being from a human point of view of course...
You won't ever have to worry about that now will you, LARD??
Spiritually speaking, nothing. Physically speaking, I think ball-pean hammer to the face would suffice.
That depends on whether they ask for forgiveness, or not. and if not I would just have to toss their dumbass into hell.
Be thankful I didn't have to raise the little bugger anymore.
I'd let him nail me to a cross so that my grand childern and their offsprings and their children are saved from hell as I intercede them in their dream.
I'd resurrect him to my heaven and make him sit at my right hand for the rest of eternity. From there he can judge all heathens to his heart's content, and send the vilest to the hell-fire I created precisely for that purpose.
i'd say that's a 10 on the ';how pissed would i be'; scale
i'd say you shouldn't of made yourself a target by saying you could do all these illogical things.
I'd be pretty ticked, myself - do a little house cleaning.
But then, I wouldn't set it up as a sacrifice in the first place to fit my long-term agenda.
Spiritually I would die a thousand deaths. Then I'd hunt them down and bring them to justice.
I will make sure, he/she knows nothing but pain anymore...
If I were an all empowered being.... it wouldn't have happened at all because I wouldn't have played guessing games and I'd been right there to introduce my kid to the world with a warning and perhaps a bolt of lightening and a thunderclap just for good measure.
I'd probably nail his @$$ to the wall.
Do you think the soldiers that nailed Jesus to the cross were atheists?
He prayed that God would forgive them because He said they did not know what they were doing. He did not call them idiots or morons. He died for them too.Do you think the soldiers that nailed Jesus to the cross were atheists?
I agree, He died for them too. After Jesus had died, they commented ';surely this must have been the son of God';.Do you think the soldiers that nailed Jesus to the cross were atheists?
no , and some of them were orderd to and had no choice but to do it
They were not atheists. I should clarify - as far as anyone knows, there was no such thing as an ';atheist'; in the Roman era. Christians were actually accused of atheism by the Roman government.
No, they were Romans...the Bible doesn't say if they believed in their own gods, or not.
I've never understood that bit....christians claim that I'm gonna be tortured by their god forever because I'm an atheist, yet the guys who nailed your god up on some wood and stabbed him with a spear get a pass?
How does that make any sense?
no , definitely Christians or Jews or pantheists of ancient Rome
they were pantheists those Romans
No. They probably worshiped Roman gods and at least one became a Christian after the crucifixion. It's recorded in one of the gospels, Matthew I think.
No, they were not atheists. They were following orders, and they though they were doing the right thing. However, they were just part of the prophecy. Jesus gave His life to us so that we can live, no one took His life.
They were Roman Citizens so they probably worshiped Gods and Goddesses and saw their leaders as Gods. They really didn't have a concept of one God and salvation in the least. Remember that the salvation bit was not revealed to the masses until after the Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus
They were probably pagan polytheists, actually.
Well, since there were no Christians, they were either Pagan or Jews..no in between here...you need a better sense of history before you ask questions like this. Christ was NOT declared a god until the AD 400's by the Catholic church. What was nailed to a cross was a convicted man to those whose job it was to execute...much the same as today's executioners.
Given that they were Roman, they were probably polytheistic pagans.
Uh no they were Romans so they were probably Pagans. Of course in my opinion that didn't even happen.
well not AFTER Jesus died, because they said '; surely, this man was the son of God'; or somethin like this.
no i think they had no religon they were prabably just block heads.
God bless homie
I don't know if you are trying to be funny or just a serious thought... Either way, historically no, they were probably pagans, but religion was not a personal issue for the Romans. Their gods were rather impersonal and distant.
Well to start they were roman soldiers therefore they have roman costumes, religion and gods, anyway, romans were not actually very religious. Maybe after they were converted but the thing is that they were just doing their job in that precise moment. Turns out that Jesus was not the first claiming to be son of a god an that was pollitically dangerous so, they followed orders to keep the region at peace and simply killed him. The interesting part comes when in the record one of them admits Jesus is The Son of God by watching the mess around him.
I don't think Jesus was necesarily talking about the roman guards at that moment but the jews who send him o death, by the way you dont blame the hand for what the brain does. They were insidentally there and would have done it anyway. The other interesting part was that Pilato wouldn't have let Jesus die unless it was pollitically essential to keep his rule over the region because he was sure he was an innocent and most likely harmless. Romans and Jews believed he could rise and lead an army to victory against the romans but as farsees so their political power so diminished and no army rising sent him to death.
It's a really good question if their is an actual record of that day there should be checked all sources to get the actual truth, anyway I love the story.
no, in the bible the people who nailed jesus to the cross were people called jews, jesus of nazareth and them had all of the same religion but, jesus was what we call the ';maziah'; which is the almighty god, which he is. but having a random peasant preacher say he is almighty shocked the whole kingdom having him nailed to the cross. its all int the bible, my dads a pastor =P
I thought he was immortal? Isn't he living forever? How did his 'death' mean anything when he is still alive?
The answer to your question is NO.........the Roman Empire had their own religion. You might look it up.......it is older than your religion.
Actually, if they were typical Romans, they'd've been pagans--worshipping the pantheon of the Roman gods.
I would imagine that they worshipped the Roman gods.
Atheists didn't exist back then. Most people had a belief in God albeit not the same. Atheism is an offspring of Darwinism.
they werent atheists.
Nope. They said they were waiting for the REAL king Jesus cus they thought he would be fancyy and rich so they just thought he was fake. But they were wrongg!
I agree, He died for them too. After Jesus had died, they commented ';surely this must have been the son of God';.Do you think the soldiers that nailed Jesus to the cross were atheists?
no , and some of them were orderd to and had no choice but to do it
They were not atheists. I should clarify - as far as anyone knows, there was no such thing as an ';atheist'; in the Roman era. Christians were actually accused of atheism by the Roman government.
No, they were Romans...the Bible doesn't say if they believed in their own gods, or not.
I've never understood that bit....christians claim that I'm gonna be tortured by their god forever because I'm an atheist, yet the guys who nailed your god up on some wood and stabbed him with a spear get a pass?
How does that make any sense?
no , definitely Christians or Jews or pantheists of ancient Rome
they were pantheists those Romans
No. They probably worshiped Roman gods and at least one became a Christian after the crucifixion. It's recorded in one of the gospels, Matthew I think.
No, they were not atheists. They were following orders, and they though they were doing the right thing. However, they were just part of the prophecy. Jesus gave His life to us so that we can live, no one took His life.
They were Roman Citizens so they probably worshiped Gods and Goddesses and saw their leaders as Gods. They really didn't have a concept of one God and salvation in the least. Remember that the salvation bit was not revealed to the masses until after the Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus
They were probably pagan polytheists, actually.
Well, since there were no Christians, they were either Pagan or Jews..no in between here...you need a better sense of history before you ask questions like this. Christ was NOT declared a god until the AD 400's by the Catholic church. What was nailed to a cross was a convicted man to those whose job it was to execute...much the same as today's executioners.
Given that they were Roman, they were probably polytheistic pagans.
Uh no they were Romans so they were probably Pagans. Of course in my opinion that didn't even happen.
well not AFTER Jesus died, because they said '; surely, this man was the son of God'; or somethin like this.
no i think they had no religon they were prabably just block heads.
God bless homie
I don't know if you are trying to be funny or just a serious thought... Either way, historically no, they were probably pagans, but religion was not a personal issue for the Romans. Their gods were rather impersonal and distant.
Well to start they were roman soldiers therefore they have roman costumes, religion and gods, anyway, romans were not actually very religious. Maybe after they were converted but the thing is that they were just doing their job in that precise moment. Turns out that Jesus was not the first claiming to be son of a god an that was pollitically dangerous so, they followed orders to keep the region at peace and simply killed him. The interesting part comes when in the record one of them admits Jesus is The Son of God by watching the mess around him.
I don't think Jesus was necesarily talking about the roman guards at that moment but the jews who send him o death, by the way you dont blame the hand for what the brain does. They were insidentally there and would have done it anyway. The other interesting part was that Pilato wouldn't have let Jesus die unless it was pollitically essential to keep his rule over the region because he was sure he was an innocent and most likely harmless. Romans and Jews believed he could rise and lead an army to victory against the romans but as farsees so their political power so diminished and no army rising sent him to death.
It's a really good question if their is an actual record of that day there should be checked all sources to get the actual truth, anyway I love the story.
no, in the bible the people who nailed jesus to the cross were people called jews, jesus of nazareth and them had all of the same religion but, jesus was what we call the ';maziah'; which is the almighty god, which he is. but having a random peasant preacher say he is almighty shocked the whole kingdom having him nailed to the cross. its all int the bible, my dads a pastor =P
I thought he was immortal? Isn't he living forever? How did his 'death' mean anything when he is still alive?
The answer to your question is NO.........the Roman Empire had their own religion. You might look it up.......it is older than your religion.
Actually, if they were typical Romans, they'd've been pagans--worshipping the pantheon of the Roman gods.
I would imagine that they worshipped the Roman gods.
Atheists didn't exist back then. Most people had a belief in God albeit not the same. Atheism is an offspring of Darwinism.
they werent atheists.
Nope. They said they were waiting for the REAL king Jesus cus they thought he would be fancyy and rich so they just thought he was fake. But they were wrongg!
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