Saturday, January 23, 2010

How can the Law of God be nailed to the cross if Jesus said . . . ?

';till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.'; (Mt 5:18) Has heaven and earth passed away? Has everything prophised to happen in Scripture happened? If not, then how do you justify that the very same Law that Jesus is refering to is now done away with by being nailed to the cross (Colossians 2:14)?





Also, please see my blog lessons: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-waFeix0hd鈥?/a>How can the Law of God be nailed to the cross if Jesus said . . . ?
The Lord has spoken exactly thus (excerpt):


';';';I do not change...I am the same yesterday, today and all tomorrows to come. What I have written let no man change. Rather, follow Me as I have said and not as you would have Me say. Keep the Father鈥檚 commandments, as He had written them in stone by His own finger...in number, ten. Keep them all, remember them all, and do them according to how they are written, not as man has rewritten them, and it shall be credited unto you for righteousness. I have freed you from the curse of the Law; I have not freed you from obedience to the Law. Rather, I have given you the means, by My own Spirit, to keep the Law. Oh beloved, why do you not understand My speech? Why do you not love Me? Why have you lost the desire to follow Me? My love has not changed, yet you have changed, becoming lords unto yourselves. Beloved, keep what the Father has given you...stop desecrating His Sabbaths! The Law stands forever, and all that is contained therein also stands. Even from Sabbath to Sabbath, in the Kingdom, shall the nations come up to Jerusalem and worship Me.';';'; ~ YahShua (Jesus)How can the Law of God be nailed to the cross if Jesus said . . . ?
Yes indeed everything has been fulfilled and this is exactly what Jesus said.


Mat. 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


ALL The Law is fulfilled.

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Good question. It seems to me that Christians have managed to talk themselves into believing the opposite of what their gospel actually teaching.





Don't forget the next verse either...





19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
You are ignoring the context, esp. verse 17. Jesus refers to the ';law or the prophets.';





There are no laws codified in the prophets where they could be either fulfilled or destroyed.





The only thing in the law and prophets with the potential to be fulfilled or destroyed are prophesies.





The English does a poor job of handling the transition between vv 17 and 18. Jesus came and fulfilled what was written of him in the law and the prophets; similarly everything eschatalogically will be fulfilled before heaven and earth pass away.





Your take actually declares that, once everything has been done and heaven and earth pass away, so too passes this law that your ilk insists is eternal, etc.





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A PART of the law was nailed to the Cross.





But which part ?





What was Jesus ? -





Jesus was the ';Sacrificial Lamb that takes away the sins of the world';





And as the ';Sacrificial Lamb'; the ONLY part of the law He fulfilled was the ';Sacrificial Law';





To emphasize this, God ripped the curtain in the Temple from the top down.





If anyone tries to say anything different - they are 'preaching another gospel'





May God bless you as you study His Word





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Reading the entire chapter you will find that Jesus fulfilled the law.


The law is not destroyed but is indeed fulfilled in that those who accept the atonement of Jesus Christ are by faith made new no longer under the law but new creatures made in agreement with the righteousness of God.





Gal.3: 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.





It is through the law we relaize our sin and know our need for God and our need for a Savior.


The law has not made one man righteous but through the law we see our need and accept by faith the atonement of Jesus Christ.


It is by faith in Jesus Christ we are made new and through his righteousness we are joined to God for eternal life.








I am sorry but you are mistaking the meaning of the Sabbath for the law of the Sabbath.


It would be like considering the sacrifices as only a law without the understanding of what the sacrifces represent.


The Sabbath is much greater than simply a Mosaiac law.








The Sabbath is God's rest and we that enter it receive his rest.


This we receive by faith through Jesus Christ.





Mat.11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.





The Sabbath is more than simply one day of the week.





God did not rest because he became tired.


God rested for our salvation.








Romans 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.


29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.





Mat. 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect鈥檚 sake those days shall be shortened.





The literal law is fulfilled by Jesus.


It through his atonement we are by faith made new through his righteousness.


No longer under the law but new creatures.


These laws are the shadows of the coming of Christ,


Clean and unclean and Sabbaths and sacrifces.





Col.2: 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.





This I say by faith we are made new because we have not literally died and bee born again but by faith we reckon oursleves dead to sin and resurrected in the resurrection of Christ.





Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.





This day of salvation this day of God's rest is more than a literal day but this day we have today through faith in Jesus Christ and this day will come with his return.





2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand ayears, and a thousand years as one day.


9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.








Our Lord Jesus Christ brought to us this day of salvation and it is through him we are by faith made new and do enter his rest.


I say by faith because we are not yet literally born again and this literal day has not yet come.





The day of the lord will come with the return of Jesus who will rule the world for one thousand years.





Edit to those who believe the Sabbath is simply one day of a week...Why did Christ curse the fig tree? Are we to bear fruit in season and out of season or do we simply follow the law?


Friends if you are made new you are not under the law but freed from the law and you will bear fruit in season and out of season not because the law says so but because you are made NEW.





The Jews followed the law because they thought it was good to make them righteous they missed the spiritual meaning behind the law. The law makes no one righteous not one.


God is all knowing and foreknew man could not uphold his law...We failed. God did not give us the law to make us righteous. He gave us the law to know our sin and to see our need for a Savior. It is through Christ we can be made new through his righteousness not our own.


The law condemns us to death and Jesus brings us the resurrection.


There are wonderful truths and spiritual meanings behind the law. The law is God's righteousness not man's. It is important that we understand the meaning of the law and the meaning of the Sabbath and the sacrifices and the clean and unclean laws that represent our salvation through Jesus Christ.
The written code was those things written in the spiritual books for the covenant fulfillment was your sins I Will remember no more and they will be blotted out for Jesus' is named to save His People from their sins.





The law mentioned, therefore, in Paul is the sinful nature of the inner being as in the context of the uncircumcised hearts.





If anyone remain in Christ they are a new creation, created to bear fruit in keeping with repentance. For The Gardener will remove those branches that do not bear the fruit of love, joy, peace, suffering patience, goodness, faith, meekness, and self-control. For if we feel asleep in Christ we will be Raised with Him, The Resurrection before who we must give account. The Tabernacle is sowed one way, and raised eternal. The cares of the world choke the fruit and make it to become fruitless, so that one should persist in these things that well up to eternal rewards by continuing to look intently at God's Word.
the law has not been done away with. it has been fulfilled and that is not the same as done away with. the law was never a means of salvation. never. would God give laws that if followed would bring salvation if God knew no one could do this? only Jesus was able to follow the law completely and therefore was given all authority over heaven and earth. we cannot!


the only thing that can bring salvation is faith. abraham was justified by faith not by following the law for the law had not yet been given. God called david '; a man after mine own heart';. did david follow the law completely? NO! he committed adultery and murder. but yet david was justified. why? faith! complete and sincere faith in God. the law was fulfilled with Jesus and someday it will be completed.


Peace!!
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'; till all is fulfilled.';





Jesus fulfilled it (the law) all prior to His ascension





Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.





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Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.





Jesus fulfilled it when he was on the cross, when he said (it is finished) at that moment it was fulfilled.
that is not what it means when it says the law of God in that Colossians reference. THe written code it was refering to was the Jewish law in the old testament of sacrifices of animals to cover sins. Instead He died on the cross for our sins. It is saying that Jesus took the old rules and replaced them on the cross with his death for everyone.
The portion of the Law that Paul declares to have been nailed to the cross, is ';the ordinances that were against us.';





These ordinances, as applied to the Jews by the Jewish leadership, are man-made, and not from God.
Heaven %26amp; Earth have not passed away, so it safe to say the Law has not all been fulfilled, All that was nailed to the cross was the curse that


came with not doing the Law, For Y'shua became a curse for us,


cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.
The ';law'; nailed to the cross was the ';tradition of men'; in Colossians 2:8, the decrees ';hostile'; to us:





Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the *tradition of men*, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.





Col 2:14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of *decrees* against us and which was *hostile* to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.





Mark 7:9 He was also saying to them, ';You nicely set aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.








The burden of the Pharissees:





Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.





John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?








The Law of our Creator, the God of Israel, is NOT hostile toward us though quite the contrary:





Psa 119:165 Those who love Thy law have great peace, And nothing causes them to stumble.





Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Thy law is truth.





Isa 51:7 ';Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, A people in whose heart is My law; Do not fear the reproach of man, Neither be dismayed at their revilings.
Thank you for this question. First off you really have to believe in Jesus Christ with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and Jesus said unto them to love thy neighbor as thyself these are the two greatest commandments. My question to you is are you a true believer of Jesus Christ and fully committed to Him?


Then to directly address this question. You must take the entire Holy Bible into account with the help of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God. 1 Cor 12, Genesis 1:26, John 14:26; Matthew 28:18-20;Philliapians 3:3.


With these scriptures What about the vreses above them, and below them? Who was talking all the way through? What all were they talking about? What was the full context of the Chapter not simply a verse here and there. Some people will try to take the Holy Bible and make it sound the way they want it to, with a verse here and there.


This is why Jehovah Elohim, Jah, Yawhew, Jehovah Adonia, Rophi, Rophe, King of kings and Lord of lords, gave us the entire Bible from cover to cover. We are still supposed to obey the Ten Commandments, Found in two places in the old testiment. Exodus 20; and Deut. 5.


So with the love of Christ agape love, Please 2 Timothy 2:15 a little more, and always ask the Holy Spirit to help you with your studying. This is why 40 days after Jesus died and ascended to the Father He told His disciples earlier I must go to the Father so I can send you another Helper, comforter, counsler, until I return. Book of Acts among other places.


I personally have been studying the Holy Bible no less than twice a day every day for almost 5 years without much man's books in the process.


Have a blessed day in the Lord Jesus REPENT 1 John 1:9; Psalms 51-53, Revelation entire book James 5:15, Luke 9:62; Luke 6:46-49.

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