Tuesday, January 19, 2010

If the ';old law'; has been nailed to the cross then why do Christians critisize homosexuality using the OT ?

I don't...





1Corinthians 6:9 Don’t you know that evil people will not receive God’s kingdom? Don’t be fooled. Those who commit sexual sins will not receive the kingdom. Neither will those who worship statues of gods or commit adultery. Neither will men who are prostitutes or who commit homosexual acts. 10 Neither will thieves or those who always want more and more. Neither will those who are often drunk or tell lies or cheat. People who live like that will not receive God’s kingdom. 11 SOME OF YOU USED TO DO THOSE THINGS. But your sins were washed away. You were made holy. You were made right with God. All of that was done in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.





SOME OF YOU USED TO DO THOSE THINGS… It is NOT PERMANENT





Pilgrim: You QUOTE Jesus PREDICTING THE END OF THE LAW, yet DENY that end???





Jesus said he didn’t come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. (Matt 5:17) The effect was the same. Once fulfilled it was no longer in effect. THE VERY NEXT VERSE, MATTHEW 5:18, LOOKS FORWARD TO THE TIME WHEN THE LAW WOULD BE SET ASIDE. ';...Not even the smallest stroke of a pen will disappear from the Law UNTIL EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED.'; This “UNTIL...” clause reinforces the temporary nature of the law. The passage ONLY MAKES SENSE WHEN WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE LAW WAS INTENDED FROM THE BEGINNING TO BE SET ASIDE.





Ephesians 2:15 Through his body on the cross, Christ put an end to the LAW WITH ALL ITS COMMANDS AND RULES. He wanted to create one new group of people out of the two. He wanted to make peace between them.





Colossians 2:14 He wiped out the written Law with its rules. The Law was against us. It opposed us. He took it away and nailed it to the cross.





Galatians 2:16 ...No one can be made right with God by obeying the law.





Galatians 2:21 ...What if a person could become right with God by obeying the law? Then Christ died for nothing!





The scriptures are clear, just some people cannot understand.If the ';old law'; has been nailed to the cross then why do Christians critisize homosexuality using the OT ?
I don't know. I like a little sisterly love every once in awhile. Jesus said ';love your brother (or sister) as yourself'; I'm totally down with that.If the ';old law'; has been nailed to the cross then why do Christians critisize homosexuality using the OT ?
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Jesus said in Matt 5:17-19


Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.





18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.





19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


KJV





Jesus was a great advocate of obeying the law of Moses.





Show me the verse that says the ';old law'; was ';nailed to the cross';.





You simply don't know your Bible.


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I use the N.T. because it is pertinent to us today.





Some use the O.T. because of tradition. It was leading us up to Christ's sacrifice.
Because God still feels the same about it, and the NEW COVENANT church confirms the fact that homosexuality is seriously disordered and objectively, mortally sinful:





Chastity and homosexuality





2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that ';homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.';142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.





2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.





2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
The New Testament (Paul specifically) tells us that anyone who contnues in a lifestyle marked by specific, repeated sin is NOT a follower of Jesus, no matter what they may say. If a person is not a follower of Christ, then he REMAINS UNDER THE LAW of the Old Testament.





The Law is an outline of basic do's and don'ts, designed to teach us of our sinfulness. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, except Jesus ever has or ever will fulfill the requirement of the Law. This is why we NEED the New Covenant of grace through faith, but genuine commitment brings genuine change, and if the change isn't there, neither is the committment.





(Think of this in terms of marriage - a more limited love with which we are familiar. Commitment to a marriage means dating other people stops. If dating DOESN'T stop, then there really is no commitment, and a divorce is in the wings. Divorce is another way of saying that the commitment is now void, and you return to the state you were in before - single. The New Testament is the 'marriage' proposal from God. The Old Testament is our 'singleness'. If we CHOOSE a lifestyle of 'singleness', we must accept all that goes with it.)





The New Testament is written to and for the benefit of those who are reborn in Christ, the Old Testament moreso for those who are not. It makes no sense to read to them someone else's mail!
How about banning it (homosexuality) because of what the New Testament says in Romans 1? (You'll have to look it up for yourself, I'm not going to type out the entire chapter here.)
It is mentioned several times in the NT....





Look it up...
Homophobes use Religion to justify their already existing hatred.





So they ignore the fact that Jesus never condemns homosexuality, and point to the Old Testament, ignoring other things, like the handling of pork, working on the Sabbath, and making sure women are ';clean.';
If it was nailed to the cross then it is gone, correct?


So if it is still there it wasn't nailed to the cross.





';What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?


May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?


Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? ';


Romans 6:1-3
Jesus fulfilled the law then wrote them on our hearts and minds when we get saved and filled with the Holy Spirit





A born again child of God does not live in sin
Nowhere in Scripture does it say the ';old law'; was nailed to the cross. It specifically says in the NIV:





';He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.'; Col. 2:13-14





Some will say that this ';written code'; is the Old Testament or the Mosaic or ';old'; Law. However, when you understand the context and the greek word that is being used here, we can be certain that this verse is not speaking about the ';old Law';.





The greek word for ';written code'; is cheirographon. Which means:


';χειρόγραφον [cheirographon /khi·rog·raf·on/] 1 a handwriting, what one has written by his own hand. 2 a note of hand or writing in which one acknowledges that money has either been deposited with him or lent to him by another, to be returned at the appointed time';. [Strongs]





Basically this is the greek version of our modern day IOU. Therefore this Scripture is saying that Jesus nailed our IOU of Sin Debt upon the cross, that we owe it no longer! The verse says he forgave us our sins!





Now concerning the use of the OT to base one's teaching on homosexuality. First, you can limit yourself to the NT and still see that homosexuality is bibicially a sin. Yet the Bible clearly states that:


';All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.'; (2 Tim. 3:16)





I hope that answered your question. I wish more Christians new about this!
It is in the New Testament that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Because the old law was never nailed to the cross. Just ask Jesus, He'll tell you.
Either way it is a sexual perversion, a abomination and a sin.





Dix are for chicks.
Good question. It seems to me that they're just using it to justify an inner prejudice they've always had.





Kinda funny how they don't have a problem with liars, thieves, people who disrespect their parents, those who covet their neighbors properties....etc. It's always the gays that take the heat.
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